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Born: July 29, 1963
New York, New
Alexandra Paul was
generous enough to share some time with us. Below is a transcript of some of our
Note: In 2010 Alexandra became vegan.
Alexandra Paul is probably best known for her roles on Baywatch and Melrose
Place and has appeared in many films and television
shows. For details of her extensive filmography, please visit
Alexandra helps various causes and has even done a poster for PCRM with
husband Ian Murray:
SoyStache interview with Alexandra
How are you doing?
I'm pretty well, I'm lying on my dad's guestroom bed
with his cat. Petting his cat
Sound's pretty comfortable
|OK, well what part of the world do you live in?
I live in LA. I've been in LA for 20 years. I
live in southern Malibu, with my husband.
Ok and that's Ian Murray
How long have you been vegetarian? I understand you've been vegetarian since
you were 15?
Since I was 14
So... 24 years. When I was 21 I did a TV movie where I
played a body builder and my trainer wanted me to eat fish, so I ate fish. And
I didn't feel good about it and I stopped after the TV movie.
So, you definitely noticed the difference when you were on the fish?
I don't know if I remember how I feel, but I just
remember it was mostly from an animal rights point of view.
Right, right. Now... Are you vegetarian now, or are you vegan?
I'm an almost vegan. I think I'm a vegan except for
that I eat egg whites. So, I don't wear leather, wool, or silk. I don't eat
dairy or fish. And use no products that are tested on animals.
Do you have any problem finding those non-animal products?
You know... no. I mean I'm not a cook. I think that's
my biggest drawback is that I don't cook, so I don't spend time. You know,
everyone is healthier if they cook for themselves, no matter what your basic
diet is. But no, there's always salads in restaurants. That's always fine and
pasta, you know, with marinara, no butter. That kind of thing or tomato, so
it's really fine.
Right! How about other products? I was just shopping for sneakers a couple
days ago and I had to hit quite a few shoe stores to find some vegan shoes that
I could use for volleyball.
Oh, golly, I don't know about volleyball, but I know
that running shoes are generally all man-made materials, because they're
Well, actually, I ended up getting some running shoes.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Running shoes are pretty good. And
then, as for shoes, regular shoes, I go to Payless or Shoes for Less. I mean
my shoes are... I'm pretty much a cheap date (laughs), you know... no alcohol,
no meat at dinner, and then, you know, when I buy, go to Payless for shoes.
When you don't buy leather or silk or cashmere everything is much cheaper
Right! And I did notice that Payless has more of the man-made materials.
They do. They have a lot. Unfortunately, their shoes
aren't as comfortable as... what's it called... Shoe Pavillion in Los Angeles
is pretty good. And, you know, the truth is, I'm also trying to practice
owning less stuff. I really find I only wear a pair of clogs that I bought,
probably eight years ago, and then I wear a pair of loafers I bought three
years ago that are vegan, both are vegan. And then I wear sneakers. That's
Oh, excellent! ... And I've found some vegan shoes online, some hemp. They're
not real dress shoes, but they're very nice casual shoes.
Oh, that's good. You can wear them with slacks 'n...
Yeah, so I can wear those to work. That's not a problem. And I even found
some for... I went to the PETA Gala last year and I found a nice pair of black
Oh, that's nice...What website did you go to for the
I'll have to look it up. [http://www.rawganique.com/footwear.htm(trailblazers
You know, it's OK because my brother and his girlfriend
are vegans - and she knows a bunch of websites for shoes and stuff. But I
haven't gotten around to it, because so far I'm doing fine with my loafers and
my clogs and my sneakers (laughs).
That sounds good!
I find that I'm not that fashionable. I mean I know
that as an actor, you know it's hard to find clothes that aren't wool or silk
Yeah, that's true.
It's just, you know, the word Prada... I mean I said to
one of my close friends "I've never seen a Prada bag" (laughs). She said
"here, I have one" and she showed me.
Is that a... I'm not even familiar with that.
Well, because... you're a guy.
But the girls, women, who like read In Style magazine,
or whatever, would know Prada. Or, like, if you watch Sex in the City with
Sarah Jessica Parker, they have this obsession with shoes, and I forgot the
name of the shoe... but anyway, I've never even gone into that shoe store. I
can't even remember the name. But anyway, so I'm very out of style... or I
should say I have my own style.
Payless, Miller's outpost
And they can look great too!
It just doesn't have the name.
Now, have you noticed benefits, like to your health, since being vegetarian?
You know, because I've been a vegetarian for so long, I
haven't noticed a change, because when you're 14 you're not really that aware
of stuff, but for me it was really an ethical and environmental decision. I
mean I know it's better for the environment, so I feel better with that and
I'm sure that I'm doing the right thing by the animals. People worry about
your energy level and all that, but I seem to have a good energy level.
And you are athletic so you have no problem with that?
No, no, no, never! And as you may have read on my
website I've trained for the Ironman Triathalon and did it on a vegetarian
diet. Ate a lot of egg whites. But I'm on a vegetarian diet and have never
been the worst for it.
Excellent! I lived in Hawaii for almost 14 years. I never actually did the
Ironman, but I know that it takes a lot of work.
Well, do you have other things you would say to encourage
others to become vegetarian or vegan?
Yeah, I'd encourage them to do it slowly. You have to
do it at your own pace. And to read about people, like I think reading John
Robbins' book Diet for a New America is very helpful, because it really gives
you... it really helps you remember why you are doing it, if you're doing it
for ethical reasons.
Right. As well as environmental. He has a lot of information in there.
Yes, exactly. His more recent book, which I read...
Yeah, The Food Revolution.
Yeah! He has a lot of environmental things in terms of
water use per pound of chicken vs. per pound of wheat, etc. So, those two are
very, very good books. It's not like you can't hang around meat eaters, my
husband eats meat! Actually, he doesn't eat red meat anymore, but he still
eats chicken. I'm not exactly sure why he doesn't eat red meat. After The Food
Revolution I was going on about how the water use and everything and I think
that may be why he cut out red meat, but I'm not exactly sure. (laughs)
But it's not about not hanging out with people who are
meat eaters, but it is about, you know, learning more and more, opening up
your life to more people who might be vegetarians or vegans.
And going to the health food store is very helpful.
Yeah. I know going to potlucks is a nice way of learning new dishes and
things and how foods work together.
Yeah, that's true.
In terms of your career, do you have any favorite projects or roles that you
Let's see... I loved doing Baywatch. It was so fun! It
was so much fun! You know, I'm lucky every project that I've really, I'd say
95%, I've really had a wonderful time and I haven't regretted any of them. I
did a small film called Twelve Bucks that's on video shelves right now. I had
a small part that I played of a character that was different from who I am.
She was a trashy, cocaine snorting, being hit by her husband, neglecting her
kid trailer trash. Basically, she was just trailer trash.
Quite a contrast!
Yeah, I wasn't raised like that at all (laughs). So,
that was fun to do!
Excellent! Well, regarding roles, do you feel there should be more vegetarian
or vegan characters in television and film?
I think it would be great! I do notice that people,
when I first started being a vegetarian, worried that I wasn't getting enough
protein and was I [energetic]. People, certainly, at least in California,
don't question that anymore if you're a vegetarian. Now vegan is one step more
and they always ask you how you get your protein. And then I'm sure for you,
for raw food people are just totally, but to me raw food totally makes sense
to be healthier than anything. It just totally makes sense.
Yeah, and I even had it in the back of my mind for, maybe, ten years, before
I knew I needed to move in that direction.
And did you do it all of a sudden?
Well, I think I was already eating, not a majority of raw, but, you know, a
big salad every day, some raw foods, maybe 1/3 or less of my food and then I
started hanging out with the raw foods community two New Year's Eves ago. And
that was kind of my introduction to the [raw foods] community here, which is
fairly large. I did a week raw initially, then I went to about 80% raw. There
was a process at the clinic I work at where we use "medical food" for doing this
detox. It's vegan, but it is processed. I was determined to do that process
first and then go to a hundred percent raw. So, I was actually looking forward
to when I finished that process so I could just do 100%!
How interesting. What foods do you miss? Any?
I really don't. I find nice odors when I pass by kitchens or restaurants.
They are nice odors and I like them, but I have no interest in actually eating
the foods! So, I don't miss the foods. Sometimes I think I miss the option of
having some of those foods, but when I think about actually eating it, I just
have no interest. There's times I go to our local co-op. They have some great
vegan deserts and I used to love their vegan brownies...
Yeaahh! [Jeff laughs] I have such a sweet tooth! ...And
now you don't?
Well, I've gone there... I've kind of tested myself. I've looked, stared at
the brownies and the chocolate tofu cheesecake, and I just have no interest.
Good for you! That's awesome!
And recently - I'm very creative in the kitchen - like my vegan "ice
Yes, I remember your vegan "ice cream! Yum!"
Since being raw I've been making a lot of raw ones. I even - I'm not sure if
you tried any raw ones last year. I had a few.
Wait wasn't the banana one?
I had a banana lemon.
You had some nut ones, I think.
OK, I don't recall. I had so many. [over 20] I may have had... like half raw.
You may have had some. But, anyway, I've made even more raw ones. I even made
one last night. I have one I call "Pina Co-RAW-da." This morning I made a
"Strawberry Pina Co-RAW-da."
Wow! Now where are you selling these?
Well, I'm not actually selling them. I wanted to get the recipe book out. Are
you familiar with Vegetarians in Paradise?
OK, they have kind of an online vegan magazine centered around LA. I think
Zel and Reuben Allen are actually reviewing my recipe book. They're going to
critique it, then I will make any revisions from there and then submit it to the
So, it's coming up soon. But what I was going to mention was, recently I made
some carob bon bons.
Those are raw?
Yeah! I use raw carob powder. Most health food stores have roasted carob
powder and I use raw carob powder, and I actually found some organic coconuts.
So, I take the "meat" and I shred the "meat," actually put it through my
Champion juicer and I also put some dates through the juicer, with the plastic
piece in [the "blank"], so it doesn't make juice...
It makes it like the peanut butter.
Right, right. So, I put it through and I add the carob powder. I may put it
through a couple times to get it fairly smooth. I roll it up in balls with the
carob powder, then I either roll the little balls in carob powder or [ground
So, it was coconut and carob?
Coconut carob and dates!
You do it dark enough and it tastes wonderful. I keep a little container in
the freezer. I'm going to keep making these things just to have a "stash."
In the freezer they'll last a while and they're soft enough so I can take
them right from the freezer and munch on some!
Wow, that's so interesting! Wow, they sound yummy! I
definitely want to get your book when it's out.
OK! That's [the book] strictly kind of the "ice creams," but after that I'll
put some of my raw recipes in a book.
So, that's a nice alternative to chocolate! And I do have a sweet tooth, so
I've done OK since being raw.
Oh that's good. Yeah cause I have a sweet tooth too!
But, I imagine as one gets cleaner in one's eating the sweet tooth would
probably disappear a little.
Yeah, you do have less cravings. I think once the body gets used to having
better foods, you know, I think there's a lot of things in the foods that we
just don't know about, at least the nutritionists and science don't know about,
they don't look at the actual energy or enzymes that are in the foods. There's
no telling what's in there that they just haven't discovered yet. So, once the
body is on this, it just seems to lose a lot of cravings. I'm even off salt now.
Wow. Yeah, I'm not a salt person.
No, not at all. It's all about sugar for me.
That's good, because even the salt can do a lot of damage.
Although salt is in a lot of things. I've never, ever
in my entire life, added salt to my food when it's on the table. I've always
preferred food be on the blander side.
Now, are any of your family members vegan or vegetarian? I know you mentioned
your husband is not.
My husband is not and I've really learned it's OK with
me. It's OK what he does. So I just let him do his thing and don't say
anything about it. He sees what I do, etc. and it works fine. My brother is a
vegan. My brother's been a vegan since he was a teenager, also. And he's sort
of a big inspiration to me. He and his girlfriend are vegan. They live in
Oregon. And he's an animal rights activist. He comes from an animal rights
perspective on food... and environmental. My sister is a vegetarian, and my
mom and my dad eat everything, although my mom doesn't eat red meat. But
otherwise my mom and my dad eat, so it's just us kids.
|That's interesting that you and your siblings are quite a
contrast [to your parents]. ...I'm the different one in the family, but
you had your siblings as well that moved in that direction.
Yeah, we really influence each other. My sister
is my twin and my brother is two and a half years younger, but we've
always had influences. We all circle around environmental and animal
rights issues. My dad is a huge animal lover. We grew up in the country.
We had a lot of animals.
Do you have any pets?
You know what, we had a cat named Henry and we think he
got eaten by a cayote.
Yeah, it was a month this Saturday. So, we've gone to
several pounds to look at animals, cause we don't believe in getting animals
anywhere but from a pound or shelter. And we'll sort of pick one out in the
next few days. My husband's going to go tomorrow morning because we signed up
for one cat, but we couldn't pick the cat up. They wouldn't let us until she
Do you feel you pick the cat or the cat picks you?
(laughs) It's probably mutual! Definitely, this cat was
really friendly. My husband is going to pick her up, then call me on his cell
and I said "honey, if you feel, you know, that it's right then take her. And
if not, we'll continue looking."
That's wonderful! I'm sure you've heard of the vegan pet foods.
You know what, I haven't actually! My brother actually
doesn't feed his cat... I think he started feeding his animals vegan, and then
he stopped. I'm not sure why, but I don't think he had vegan pet food.
What do you think about that idea [vegan pet food]?
Personally, I think it's fine. I mean, I don't really
know enough about the...
Like the anatomy and digestion and all the nutrients.
It seems to me, I know about humans, we have long
intestines which work better for vegetarian anyway, and etc. etc. But, I don't
know, what do you think?
I like the idea of having that option. For people who don't want to support
any animal slaughters. And it's interesting... they say it's nutritionally
acceptable for cats, because they put the taurine, I believe is one of the main
things they need that is found in animals, so they put the taurine in. And when
people... People say "well it's not a natural diet" but also cats should
actually be in nature anyway. So, we're taking them inside and making them eat
out of bowls, they're not as active.
So, we're just picking and choosing what we think is
Right, and also there are so many pet foods that contain ground up other
pets, euthanized pets. I've read an article recently that they found the
chemical they use for euthanization in many cat foods!
I've read that too. I read that too and it's
terrifying... We started feeding our cats straight tuna after we read that,
which somebody told me was bad. It has a lot of salt. That's why our cat liked
it so much!
Oh... Or even use fresh organic chicken meat or whatever.
He wouldn't eat chicken (laughs).
Isn't that funny? I'm like "Henry, you're not a real
cat! You won't eat chicken." Unless it has some kind of saltiness, like a
gravy on it. It was very interesting. But yeah, so how would I actually get
the vegan pet food. I actually know someone... well, Marr Nealon she organized
Worldfest, she has a dog. I wouldn't be surprised if her dog was on a vegan
Do you have favorite snacks, foods, or meals? You mentioned you don't cook a
Yeah, I don't. I don't. You know, when I was training I
ate a lot of Cliff Bars, because they're vegan... and Luna bars. But I just
started meeting with a nutritionist, because I think I have candida. I know I
have a lot of yeast in my blood, so he's gonna take me off all bars and
OK... cut down some of the sugars?
Yeah... which is my craving, which is usually what you
crave, it's what you're allergic too and a lot of times not the best for you.
Yeah, I'd be curious... see, I'm not sure what they say about natural sugars,
like fruits and things. Fruits have a lot of sugars, but they're natural.
So, do you eat much raw food? Do you try to incorporate a lot of it into your
You know, I eat salads and nuts, but other than that, I
think... salads and nuts would be it. Sort of your basic... your... pedestrian
Right, right. Breakfast fruits maybe?
Yeah, I don't eat a lot of fruit. I don't know why, I
don't really like it.
Just not drawn to it? OK.
I'm just not drawn to it for some reason. Unless it's
already cut for me (laughs), then I'll eat it!
Now, do you encourage people to use organic foods?
You know, I don't encourage anybody to do anything
else, because I just don't... I mean, if someone were to ask me, I would think
organic foods are better, but I personally, I myself don't always buy organic
food. So, it's not sort of my focus, although I agree from my reading,
certainly from reading The Food Revolution, other books, you realize that
organic is better for MANY reasons, not only health, but just for promoting
the smaller business person and for sending a message for the large chemical
Right, right. And one of my thoughts is when... like, a lot of people think
well, it's no difference, in terms of nutrition and whatever else. If that was
true, still, they're supporting the spraying of all the fields. And that gets
into the air, it gets into the earth, the water. It goes down the streams. And
that's one thing I don't like supporting.
Exactly! Even if the actual food was equal in
nutrition, the added pesticides, I don't think anyone can argue that's not
good for you.
So, truthfully, when I can, if I have a choice, there's
no doubt. We go to Vaughn's, too, cause it's 5 minutes away and I'll buy my
fruit and vegetables there.
OK. Is that a coop, or a chain store?
A big chain. A regular old store. Then we mostly go to
the health food store, but we definitely go to Vaughns. It's like a Safeway or
Ralphs or whatever. I think it's great. I admire people who eat just organic,
because I believe they're supporting on many levels.
It is more expensive usually, although prices have been coming down, which is
Yeah, I think ultimately, it might be cheaper just
because you're, maybe, not getting sick as often, you're healthier in the long
So, do you have a favorite restaurant? Like a vegan/vegetarian restaurant.
Well, we really like Real Food
Daily. And actually, actually, I
prefer... I like Native Foods in Westwood
It's easier by email, but if you had a recipe you'd like to share, I'd be
happy to put that up!
I have a recipe I love! It's vegan. Do you have "How it
all Vegan?" You might not have it.
And it's a great desert (laughs)! As for the recipe, it
is Chocolate Upside Down Pudding Cake [ on page 148
of How it All Vegan. Go to www.govegan.net for more info on
how to get the book.]
Oh, really? I should have guessed!
It's vegan, but not raw.
I find that when I have flavors I really want or an old desert I liked, I can
often kind of make something up.
Oh, good for you! You probably can.
I'm going to adapt these little bon bons into making brownies (laughs).
That's great (laughs)! So, now you won't even CARE
about, you won't even THINK about those vegan brownies at the health food
And then I can even top them off with some raw vegan "ice cream."
RIGHT! EXACTLY! That's great! That's great!
So, I just have a few more questions. Do you have any favorite organizations
or charities that you work for or volunteer for?
Well, my volunteering is... I have three volunteering
things I do right now. I tutor twice a week, a young man, he's now 15. I've
been tutoring him since he was 11.
And his name is Alex. And then I... every Thursday
night in Westwood, which is the area that I... where native foods is, but we
do it outside Stan's Doughnuts (laughs), I register voters. For two hours:
between 6 and 8 on Thursday nights. And then, I'm in the Red
Cross Training program for disaster
Which means that every five weeks I'm on call for one
week, on off hours when the Red Cross office is closed. So that if there is a
fire, people need shelter or food or clothing, then I and my team would be
So that's called Disaster Action Team and I'm a trainee
And are there any vegetarian or environmental groups that you support?
You know, yes. I send money to... If someone asks me to
spend time on something I would say I'm sorry. If it's not an environmental
issue or animal rights, or voting also, I'll say "I'm so sorry, but I really
try to concentrate on these areas."
Yeah, if you have a passion you should stick to those.
I kind of felt that in my 20's I would do lots of
different things and then I started concentrating on the population issue,
Growth [http://www.zpg.org] I think is a
wonderful, wonderful organization. They have wonderful organizational
materials. I also give money once a year to the TV Turn-off
Network [http://www.tv-turnoff.org], Which
is where they encourage people to watch less television. I know I'm an actor,
I'm not at all a believer in people watching TV, a lot
of TV. In fact my husband and I do not... I've never had television in my
home. Except for about two months ago. We got cable to our computers and
somehow crossed and in Malibu if you don't have cable you don't get anything
and we had chosen to not get cable for television or anything and we just got
static. And then when we got cable to our computers, some line must have
crossed, cause we get very odd channels. We get like four... like the soap
opera network and animal planet and channel 2. You know... very odd things.
And I don't think I miss anything by not watching
Yeah, well we can be so much more productive if we don't spend that time in
front of the boob tube.
It's amazing! And I still see stuff, cause when I come
to my dad's I watch TV or when I'm in a hotel or when you're in the gym. It's
And people say "how can you do that? You're an actress
and you should watch." And I'm like "You know, my husband and I have decided
our lives are better when we don't have television. But now we do have like
four channels. So, it's true... I don't know. We called the cable company and
said could you please turn it off to our TV and they said they couldn't.
(laughs) So, we're like "OK, we're stuck!" So, now we can't say we don't have
TV, which is what we used to say. So, I give money to that network. It
encourages kids to not watch TV and every year for one week they ask school
children around the country not to watch any TV.
Oh, wow! I haven't heard that!
It's a good organization. And to do other things like
read or play with their friends, etc., talk with their parents. And then I'm
on the board for Seeds of Simplicity
[http://www.seedsofsimplicity.org/default.asp], which is a voluntary
simplicity movement, which probably coincides very well with your lifestyle.
You know, just leading a simpler life and not buying as much stuff and that
kind of thing.
Yeah, well I do have a lot of stuff! (laughs)
Do you? (laughs)
Yeah, they're a lot of tools. I mean, to me they are tools for learning. They
make life easier.
Right, right. Well, you know, it's not about not having
anything, it's just about not being part of the American thoughtless
consumerism that we have. Like "I feel badly. Let me go buy something, because
I'll feel better and I'll be more fulfilled" kind of thing.
In the supermarkets my life is quite different, because I'm buying produce
and some bulk items, but the whole rest of the store really doesn't much matter.
Yes, right. Exactly. Now, I think probably you have a
more simple lifestyle just because of the way you eat and probably what you
Yeah, that's true. And most of it is composting and some trash, but a lot
less trash than cooked lifestyles.
Yeah, much, I would imagine. Definitely. Yeah, we
compost also. We have a worm bin actually. So, that's how we deal with our
Oh, excellent! The new owner of the house, who is also vegetarian... It's
interesting, I'm on my second owner of this house, both of which are primarily
Well, I guess you bring those kind of people in, huh?
But He brought with him a worm bin. Before that, there was an existing
compost and I put in two more and now we have the worm bin, so we're set.
So the composting, I've seen them in Real Goods and
when I grew up we had a big pile in the back yard that we would throw stuff in
and the horse manure would go there and everything. Do you have one of those
bins that Real Goods sends that you kind of twirl it? Or how do you do it?
The one they had there was shaped like a trash can, just a cylinder shape and
it was kind of a mesh fabric that was fairly stiff and put around and they had
one main stake in the ground, so it was open air.
And you just threw your foods, whatever, raw food and
all that, in there?
Yeah, and when I became raw I started having a lot more composting.
Right, because that's the thing, sometimes our worms
can't handle our food. So I think, maybe, we should add a composting.
Well, actually, that first one, because it's open air... we looked in there.
We dug it up and there were a lot of worms. So, a lot of that is just the worms
breaking it down. And, because it's open air it stays cool a lot of the year, so
I... After that I ended up buying a large plastic trash can and I drilled like a
hundred holes around it and buried it maybe 8 inches deep in the dirt with some
holes in the bottom, so there are still some worms in there, but that gets
warmer because there's not as much exposure to the air.
So, there's 8 inches that it's in the ground and then
what, a couple feet where it's not?
Yeah, it's just like standing upright, but the bottom of it is buried in the
Oh, I see. And you just throw your food in there?
And what happens to it, you don't get flies?
Well, actually we do get a lot of fruit flies. I think, because I compost so
many fruit skins and things like that, there's a lot of moisture in them, so the
moisture encourages the fruit flies. But, they say that if you put a lot more
yard waste in there, dryer things, leaves and grasses that that helps. ...so,
once in a while we'll get in there and turn it. And even if you add a little
dirt here and there that helps, because you get some of the microbes from the
dirt in there and it kind of starts it.
I think we might have to do that. We have two bins. We
don't clean them out quickly enough either. Also, at times, if we make a big
fruit salad or something we have to hold the compost for a little while before
we give it to the worms. So, it's not as efficient. I've seen in Real Goods
catalog something where you put it in and turn it every so often.
Right. That looks pretty handy and they say it's fairly quick.
Yeah, I think maybe I should look into that. Thank you
for reminding me.
OK, my pleasure! Well, it's good to hear you're composting.
Yeah, yeah, definitely!
You mentioned the organizations you help with. Do they have some web sites
you'd like us to put up?
Simplicity is http://www.seedsofsimplicity.org.
I'm assuming ZPG [Zero Population Growth] is
http://www.zpg.org, but I'm not positive and I can try and get that
information, but I'm pretty sure it's zpg.org.
OK, and do you have any favorite vegetarian websites? I mean ASIDE from
SOYSTACHE, of COURSE!
Exactly! No, THAT'S IT! I actually don't go on the web
OK, well that's probably in line with not watching TV either. I know I can
spend a lot of time doing research and answering emails and things. It does get
Yeah, yeah. And the more you answer them, the more you
have. You know what I mean? It's so interesting.
Right. That's true!
What do you think it would take to get more people to move towards a
I think that more people, you know, coming out and
saying "Oh, I'm a vegetarian." Not preaching or anything, but just sort of
dispensing the information that it's possible and it's not that hard, that
And lead by example?
Yeah, I'm very much a lead by example person, because
the influences in my life have been influenced because what they did, not what
they told me to do. And also, I think that's probably the best way is people
just talking about it and there being more health food stores. In Los Angeles
health food stores are becoming, there's like health food store chains, which
would be an oxymoron. And maybe that's good because it does bring more the
average people into the mix. But it's a whole different world in the midwest
and the south in terms of diet. They do still kind of think that vegetarianism
is just wacky. I was just in Florida a couple weeks ago and it was really
difficult to get. I mean I was able to get salads, but they weren't that
You have to go back to steamed veggies, baked potatoes at restaurants.
Yeah, exactly! But I think it will become... and you
know mad cow kind of helped a little bit and the ecoli kind of helps.
And the hoof and mouth too!
I hated to see all those cows dying and being killed.
OH, and they didn't have to be! That was the sad part.
Yeah, that's how I understand it.
There are some countries that were not... they were using other methods and
they weren't killing off their cattle. Some countries have had it for decades,
maybe even longer, but have never slaughtered the animals because they had it.
They had it under control. Well, I do know that whole
mad cow mad NPR have an article on, have a whole story on how Sweden has been
not feeding their animals antibiotics or animal parts for a long time. For
several years. And it's all been fine! And they also don't have mad cow
problems. And they have a strong organics movement. Apparently, some
journalist found out that his cat, like you said earlier, the cat food was
parts of animals and he was very upset and he wrote an article and that sort
of got a movement going, do not feed animals animals. And it sort of spread to
antibiotics, that kind of thing.
Excellent! I do know that in Canada one pet food company came out, they had a
press release that they were no longer going to use pets in their pet food, so
at least the Canadians are admitting this! And then, I think it was down near
New Orleans or something... actually, I think it was somewhere else, they
actually had an article in a paper and it was on TV about a local rendering
plant that was taking the animal carcasses from the pound shipping them off to
the pet food companies [via the rendering plant], so it was exposed in the
United States, too. Then people were in an uproar because they didn't like the
fact that, for one thing, their pets were eating that kind of food, but also
that their pets, their "family members" were being put into pet food.
What effect do you think worldwide veganism would have on this planet?
If the whole world went vegan, there would be less war
(how you eat determines your mood and your outlook on life), more food (meat
is so inefficient a way to eat - an acre of land can yield 20,000 pounds of
potatoes, but that same acre would only greaze enough cows to get 165 pounds
of meat) and more open space. The world would be a better
Do you have any other comments you'd like to share with our viewers, our
Well, I love your "ice cream" [vegan "ice cream"] and I
hope I can buy it in a store sometime.
Oh, well thank you!
(Laughs) No, I think that's it. If you have any
questions feel free to call me
If you're ever in Seattle, let me know, I'll treat you do some Vice Cream.
GREAT! And those carob...chewies (laughs).
Oh, yes! I'm definitely planning to bring some of them to WorldFest.
Oh, excellent! Then I'll see you next year, or this
See you there!