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SPECIOUS SCIENCE - Doctors Ray
and Jean Greek
Doctors Ray and Jean Greek speak out on vivisection
First published in Vegan Voice
|Doctors Ray and Jean Greek are tireless campaigners who travel the
world speaking to scientists and activists alike. Their intention is to
expose the money-driven superstition called "animal-modelled" biomedical
research. Ray Greek is Scientific Adviser to the National Anti-Vivisection
Society in America, President of Americans for Medical Advancement and
Medical Director to Europeans for Medical Advancement. The husband and
wife team support a truly scientific paradigm. They are convinced that
human health is at risk through the continued use of vivisection.
|Ray Greek says, "The medical research establishment, pharmaceutical
companies, other industries and a sizeable public relations machine
maintain the belief that experiments on animals are necessary." Why?
"Because lab animal studies safeguard industry against legal
responsibility and are hugely profitable, from a financial point of view
|The Greeks are the authors of Sacred Cows and Golden Geese: The Human
Cost of Experiments on Animals and a new book, Specious Science. They are
also very aware of the new monkey farm being built in Australia.
|Q. In Sacred Cows and Golden Geese you have called animal
experimentation "white collar welfare". What do you mean by this
|A. People in white coats who perform research on animals
PhDs, etc -- make money from the practice without giving anything back to
the public Đ the people who are funding the work. Essentially when the NIH
funds animal experimentation it is funding a welfare program. Animal
models do not lead to cures or treatments and in fact harm humans far more
often than they help them.
|Q. How misleading and dangerous is animal experimentation to human
health dilemmas? Researchers are frequently telling us that research
involving animals is vital to continued human medicine. They say that
animal research has saved lives, extended life expectancy and improved the
quality of (human) life by enabling scientists to conduct critical
experiments that identify ways to prevent, treat and cure diseases. How
would you answer that?
|A. Smoking was sold to the public, by physicians, based on the
fact that it did not cause cancer in animals. A high cholesterol level was
considered safe for the same reason. The blood crisis in France that
resulted in thousands dying from AIDS was caused by the mistaken belief
that because HIV-infected blood did not kill nonhuman primates it would
not kill humans. The reason we have a longer life span and suffer from
different diseases than we did a hundred years ago is because of
improvements in sanitation and living conditions and because of medical
research involving humans or human tissue, epidemiology, advances in
technology and so forth. The animal models either merely duplicated human
findings or misled researchers, resulting in human deaths. We have the
high standard of medical care we have today in spite of, not because of,
|Q. Are you of the same opinion as Dr Irwin Bross that a "consensus"
of authorities agrees to overlook the naked truth for mutual profit of
|A. Basically, yes, but it is not quite that simple. Most people
are not outright evil but they do rationalise and where money is involved
it is a lot easier to rationalise. One has to be very careful when
categorising motives. Greed, naiveté, ignorance and many other factors are
involved in why animal experiments continue, but money makes the world go
|Q. Has your research led you to believe that there is scarcely a
science faculty today whose academic freedom has not been compromised by
its funding arrangements? That contracts between government-funded
researchers and industry, having once been frowned upon, are now openly
|A. Yes. Again, money talks and industry provides as much if not
more to universities such as the NIH. Several medical journals have come
out and admitted they had no one to review some articles because all the
experts were employed by or receiving grants from the drug company that
funded the study.
|Q. AIDS is species-specific. This means that nonhuman primates can't
get AIDS. They get their own monkey version. This fact is well documented.
How then does a researcher justify the consumption of nonhuman primates
for AIDS research?
|A. Fear. "If we don't do it everyone will die".
|Q. Veterinarians have an enormous responsibility to upgrade the
lives of literally billions of suffering animals. Why aren't they doing
|A. Money. Many, if not most, vets work for the animal
exploitation industry -- meat inspectors, lab animal vets, vets for large
animals on farms, and so on. Especially the older males, who are in charge
of the AVMA, so don't look for any pro-animal changes from that
|Q. How does one set about creating a matrix that could reorient
safety testing (Draize test, etc) from medieval torture to productive
science at the frontiers of modern technology?
|A. That is too long a question to answer here. I would like to
reiterate that there exist many rewarding human-based methodologies, some
time-honoured and some new, that provide accurate, useable information
about our diseases and their cures. These methodologies do not "replace"
animal experimentation per se. Animal experimentation does not reliably
lead to cures for human disease so it needs to be "replaced" with
something that does. A matrix would overcome animal experimentation's
enormous inadequacy and dangers.
|Q. Your new book Specious Science is just out. Tell us about
|A. Specious Science approaches animal models from an
evolutionary perspective, then analyses the data from genetics and
molecular biology to show why transspecies extrapolation should not and
indeed does not work. But that's just the first six chapters. The rest of
the book covers medical topics Sacred Cows and Golden Geese did not, for
example, pediatrics, neurology and so forth.
|Q. Undoubtedly Sacred Cows and Golden Geese: The Human Cost of
Experiments on Animals is a brave work. How has the biomedical
establishment reacted to it?
|A. Depends on how they earn their livelihood. MDs who actually
take care of patients agree with the premise while PhDs whose livelihood
depends on animal models don't.
|Drs Greek's Web site is
www.curedisease.com Also check out this
fabulous first Web site dedicated to Australian antivivisection and the
shutting down of the new monkey farm in Churchill, country Victoria.