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Rep. Noel on Utah Bill to Stop Farm Videos

Mike Noel
Address: PO BOX 301 KANAB, UT 84741
Email: mnoel@kanab. net
Cell Phone: 801-647-8853
Work Phone: 435-644-3996

Jack Draxler
Address: 1946 N 1650 E NORTH LOGAN, UT 84341
Email: jdraxler@le.utah. gov
Home Phone: 435-752-2668

 John Mathis Address: 384 E 2500 S VERNAL, UT 84078
Email: jmathis@le.utah. gov
Home Phone: 435-789-7316

Date: Monday, February 27, 2012, 6:22 AM

Mr. Noel,

I have not very often received a reply from a politician that can match yourself in sheer unsolicited aggression, ignorance, stupidity, complete and utter lack of any and all manners and decency.

Interesting indeed.

As concerns Butterball - you know nothing. And you are proud of it. Typical Cowboy attitude.
Read below, and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO try and understand. It is hard, I know .. but make an effort.


What, Mr. Noel, exactly, is meant with these words? Believe me, I have no interest whatsoever ever in coming even remotely near your *property*. There is not enough disinfectant in the world to wash that stain off again. God ..

Throw away your Iphone, my dear man. If you know nothing better to do with it than utter such complete nonsense.
I can't believe people like you are actually elected representatives, ha ha.

The US - wow. Always good for a laugh.


Expert statements on Butterball Animal Abuse:

Lesley Rogers, PhD

Over the past forty years, Dr. Rogers has made outstanding contributions in the fields of animal neuroscience and behavior. Dr. Rogers founded the Research Centre for Neuroscience and Animal Behaviour at the University of New England, where she also chaired a number of committees. Dr. Rogers has served as the president of the Australian Society for the Study of Animal Behaviour and as the president of the International Society for Comparative Psychology. She is currently a professor emeritus of Neuroscience and Animal Behaviour at the University of New England and a member of the editorial boards of six international journals. Dr. Rogers states:

[The video] shows shocking brutality. The birds are lifted by their wings, pulled by the neck, thrown, kicked and dragged. All of these are cruel practices inflicting pain and injury. The footage on injuries shows gross external, and most likely internal, wounds. Many of the wounded birds have flies crawling on them, which indicates that they have not been treated. Other footage shows birds with advanced eye infections that also have not been treated. The injured birds are without doubt in great pain.

Then comes extraordinary cruel killing by battering the birds with a rod. Some are left to die slowly. Those who remain conscious endure extreme suffering that is both inhumane and totally without any justification. It seems to me that the workers who inflict this pain have themselves become brutalized. This is clearly a facility in which animal welfare is not only ignored but also the workers go out of their way to be mercilessly cruel.


----- Original Nachricht ----
Von: Mike Noel <>
An: "" <>
Datum: 27.02.2012 08:08
Betreff: Re: (US - Utah) House passes bill to stop 'animal-rights terrorists' shooting video on farms

> Mr Hartig
> The bloody pictures of the so called abused Butterball Turkeys were most
> likely caused by the Turkeys pecking on each other and themselves. This
> shows how little you and other "animal rights activists" know about turkey
> farming, or anything to do with agriculture. I wouldn't put it past you or
> others to have staged the whole thing . STAY OFF MY PRIVATE
> Rep Mike Noel
> And please, Mario Savio, a low life sixties agitator who thought advancing
> mankind meant carrying the F word around on a sign? Give me a break.
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 25, 2012, at 12:06 PM, wrote:
> > Rep. Mr. Jack R. Draxler
> >
> > Rep. Michael E. Noel
> >
> > Rep. John G. Mathis
> >
> > State of Utah
> > House of Representatives
> >
> >
> >
> > Gentlemen,
> >
> > the activists you are targeting are as little "terrorists" as advocates of
> Human Rights are. Human Rights, such an achievement the United States is
> proud of ..
> > Can't see why, if advocates of animal welfare and animal rights are
> condenmed by your government and yourself as criminals - as indeed Human
> Rights advocates are, to this day, in backward countries like China.
> >
> > Where mass animal abuse is legalized, as it is in so-called modern
> agriculture, in the fur industry, vivisection etc. the only way of fighting
> this indeed CRIMINAL industry and those who protect it with laws that should
> never have been passed in the first place is by undercover investigations.
> >
> > And let me be clear, Mr. Draxler (""I think it's an invasion of privacy,"
> said Rep. Jack Draxler, R-North Logan.), there is NOTHING PRIVATE about
> these atrocities so commonly and unthinkingly perpetrated on US farms, in US
> slaughterhouses, labs, etc.
> >
> > Someone who produces child pornography in his home could, I suppose,
> equally claim his privacy had been unjustly invaded by law enforcement
> attempting to ruin his *business*.
> >
> > Naturally you would say, and rightly so, that there is, and must not be,
> ever anything *private* about such criminal, abusive, behaviour toward
> utterly helpless beings.
> > As indeed is the case with animals in agriculture (among other
> *industries*), so wholly unprotected from wanton cruelty/death in the name
> of profit maximisation/indifference or simply joy in causing suffering.
> >
> > One example among far too many:
> >
> > I will leave you with this to ponder - said by countrymen of yours who
> obviously were a lot further advanced in their views and ethics than you
> are.
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > "A universe is, indeed, to be pitied whose dominating inhabitants are so
> unconscious and so ethically embryonic that they make life a commodity,
> mercy a disease, and systematic massacre a pastime and a profession."
> >
> > Professor J. Howard
> >
> > "The moderates in our movement have precious little basis for reprehending
> those who raid laboratories or engage in 'ecotage'. To paraphrase Seneca -
> 'Extremism in the cause of compassion is no vice, and moderation in the
> pursuit ... of justice is no virtue.'"
> >
> > Robert A. Hansen
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > D. Hartig
> > Germany
> >
> > _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > There comes a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious,
> makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, you can't even
> passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and
> upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop. And
> you've got to indicate to the people who run it, the people who own it, that
> unless you're free the machine will be prevented from working at all.
> >
> > Mario Savio, Free Speech Movement of 1964
> >
> > The greatest right in the world is the right to be wrong. If the
> Government or majorities think an individual is right, no one will interfere
> with him; but when agitators talk against the things considered holy, or
> when radicals criticise, or satirize the political gods, or question the
> justice of our laws and institutions, or pacifists talk against war, how the
> old inquisition awakens, and ostracism, the excommunication of the church,
> the prison, the wheel, the torture-chamber, the mob, are called to suppress
> the free expression of thought.
> >
> > Harry Weinberger, ?The First Casualties in War,? letter to the editor,
> "The Evening Post, New York City", April 10, 1917
> >
> > "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me
> privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of
> commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a
> power somewhere -- so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so
> complete, so pervasive -- that they better not speak above their breath when
> they speak in condemnation of it."
> >
> > Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom, 1913
> > _____________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************************
> >
> >
> l-rights-terrorists--shooting-video-on-farms.html
> >
> > House passes bill to stop 'animal-rights terrorists' shooting video on
> farms
> >
> > By Dennis Romboy, Deseret News
> >
> > Published: Friday, Feb. 24 2012 5:19 p.m. MST
> >
> >
> > SALT LAKE CITY ? State lawmakers took aim at what one representative calls
> ?animal-rights terrorists? who shoot videos or photos on farmers? property
> without permission to create propaganda to destroy the agriculture
> industry.
> >
> > "This is not about animals. This is a group of people who want to put us
> out of business. Make no mistake about it," said Rep. Mike Noel, R-Kanab, a
> rancher and farmer.
> >
> > Noel said ranchers are good people who care for their animals and "we
> certainly don't want some jack wagon coming in and taking pictures of
> them."
> >
> > The Utah House on Friday overwhelmingly approved HB187, sponsored by Rep.
> John Mathis, R-Vernal, after some spirited debate. The bill now moves to the
> Senate. Democrats opposed to the measure called it too broad.
> >
> > "My concern is that this bill simply goes too far," said Rep. Brian King,
> D-Salt Lake.
> >
> > The bill would make it a class A misdemeanor to hide a recording device on
> a farm and class B misdemeanor shoot video or photos after being asked not
> to or record while trespassing.
> >
> > Mathis said animal rights groups like People for the Ethical Treatment of
> Animals raise millions of dollars for "slick ads and propaganda" but spend
> little on animal welfare. He called them "animal-rights terrorists" during a
> legislative committee meeting.
> >
> > "I think it's time someone stands up," said Mathis, a veterinarian and
> part-time farmer.
> >
> > Rep. Patrice Arent, D-Millcreek, wondered if a child taking pictures on a
> field trip to a farm could be prosecuted under the proposed law.
> >
> > Supporters of the bill said they couldn't see that happening.
> >
> > Rep. David Litvack, D-Salt Lake, said the measure is not just about
> outside groups. A farmworker may record behavior that should be brought to
> authorities. "There is no whistleblower protection," he said.
> >
> > At an earlier hearing on the bill, PETA spokeswoman Lindsay Rajt said
> undercover photography is needed to bring public attention to animal abuse
> on factory farms. Such investigations have led to criminal prosecutions in
> some states, she said.
> >
> > "I think it's an invasion of privacy," said Rep. Jack Draxler, R-North
> Logan.
> >

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